Dramane Alassane Ouattara, jovial, relaxed, fine and convincing. This is the conclusion we have drawn from the interview with our colleague Thierry de Africa Hot 24 by Alassane Dramane Ouattara, leader of the Rally of Republicans (RDR) opposition party ivoirienne. Seizing the opportunity of our presence in the offices of ADO Deux Plateaux district of Abidjan, in the morning of 8 April 2009, we also collected the words of former Prime Minister and only fire Félix Houphouet Boigny. The Ouagadougou Political Accord (APO), his candidacy for the presidential elections in Côte d’Ivoire, the residence permit, the application to Côte d’Ivoire to the HIPC (Heavily Indebted Poor Countries) and the economic crisis, were, among other topics on the agenda.
“The Country”: The date of the presidential election is still not known. Is this a cause for concern for you?
Dramane Alassane Ouattara: We need elections in Côte d’Ivoire. This is all the same since 2005 that we are talking about elections that do not materialize. The reasons are multiple, but we have made considerable progress since we now have an electoral roll of 6 million people enrolled. The list of 2000 did a little more than 5 million are not included also those who died and double entries. I find the new figures are quite significant. This should allow us to go to elections. There are still a number of things to resolve, such as the constitutions of civil registers, the enrollment of Ivorians abroad, securing the electoral process … But it all becomes a question of political will. Normally, if we decide to stop the inscriptions on the voters list, as is the rest in other countries, at a given date in late April for example, 4 months after their launch, we should be able to organize elections .
Ie in September 2009?
Around September or October 2009.
You talk about political will. In this respect, is that the Independent Electoral Commission which must decide if President Laurent Gbagbo which will spur the momentum?
The Committee has a number of criteria and responsibilities, but the most urgent are the head of state and government. These include establishing courts in the center, north, west. We need funding for the process. We must put in place security teams. All this falls within the Government and the Head of State. Therefore, the Head of State and the Prime Minister take this problem head on the body.
For you, it is possible to hold the presidential by the end of 2009?
Necessary. It is technically possible. In addition, Côte d’Ivoire needs. Ivorians suffer from this situation. Since 4 years, we expect the elections to have a government and a team of legitimate leaders. Lenders and investors also need clarification. It is therefore essential to elections before the end of this year.
Your activists do they understand your alliance with former President Henri Konan Bédié who believes that ivoiririté was a pioneering idea?
This is an issue that concerned us at the start …
You have suffered Ivoirite …
For me it’s past. I think we can be reconciled. We must move forward. Côte d’Ivoire needs peace. We can not remain stuck in patterns that have worked so hard for our country’s fifteen years. However, the RDR activists trust us. Moreover, they have renewed their confidence last year by giving me a new mandate to head the party, especially in appointing me as the candidate of the RDR in the presidential election. Initially indeed both of them did not understand the merits of this alliance. But we have taken the time to explain. Now I am pleased that in the databases, whether in big cities, Abidjan, Bouaké, Daloa, etc.., Or in rural areas, there’s really a good integration of both sides and a good understanding of this situation. So we made the right choice.
What is the nature of your relationship with President Laurent Gbagbo? Can you visit?
With President Laurent Gbagbo I have fraternal relations, friendly relations …
Frankly, without jargon?
Without jargon. I think both sides know that I never in the language of wood. With President Laurent Gbagbo, we are at meetings of the permanent framework for dialogue (established by the Ouagadougou political Agreement, ed) that takes place 2 to 3 times per year. Whenever necessary, I will see it and in the presence of TV cameras. I have the phone quite often. We have reports that go beyond courtesy. They are friendly and fraternal relations. Remember you still have that time, his party and the RDR were allies. We conducted some battles together. After there were differences but that does not mean that we have good and friendly relations. The policy is one thing, fraternity is another.
In deciding to apply for the presidential election, that promise to the Ivorians?
If I accepted this nomination because I have an ambition for my country. I think the Ivory Coast is in a lamentable state. The situation of Ivorians have worsened considerably. Poverty has reached a critical threshold. Over 50% of Ivorians live below the poverty line. Everything is completely dilapidated, including roads, health and education.
Who is responsible for this situation?
All this is born out of this crisis which has lasted for so many years, 7 years. In addition, there is the fact that the country has not been managed. In transitions, there are no management. The two things are incompatible. Everyone is doing. There is no decision-making. We need a legitimate government to leave the Ivory Coast for this situation. What I’m going to bring Ivorians is primarily peace. Peace because this country has suffered from misunderstandings, injustices. I also will bring the reconstruction of the proper management and especially prosperity.
Please also feed the Ivorians?
Absolutely. The prosperity is there. It must first Ivorians to have more to eat and that leaves the situation where there are more than 50% of the poor. Then that Ivorians can be cured and that both sides can send their children to school without too many worries. It must also have the security of the country, as the administration is present everywhere in the Ivory Coast, and finally there is a deep moral in the management of the State. I want my countrymen to trust me because j’incarne real change.
You will be presidential candidate. You figure your economic program to 10 000 billion CFA francs over 5 years. Where will you find that money?
Program funding is not very complicated. First, there is the budget. Côte d’Ivoire has a budget of 2,400 billion CFA francs. We must make the effort to reach a significant portion of these resources for investment. Second, debt relief that we need to complete I hope under my chairmanship will reap substantial resources, over 50 billion CFA francs per year.
You have a magic stick?
This is not a magic stick but good management. I have just been Deputy Director General of the International Monetary Fund (IMF, ed). I negotiated programs with very large countries with financing needs greater than those of my country. Consequently, private investment should come as reinforcements and finally, it yal’épargne nationals. The World Bank has estimated the funding requirement and funding for the Ivory Coast in the period 2009 to 2015, ie over 7 years, 17 to 600 billion CFA francs. Reduced over 5 years, it is 12 500 billion CFA francs. My economic program to me, given the international environment and the financial crisis, I have set a modest 10 to 000 billion CFA francs. I hope it goes well beyond the 10 000 billion over 5 years. Calculations show that for the 10 000 billion, this is only 2 000 billion per year. For a current budget of 2 400 billion CFA, I am not saying that we need to devote all of the investment.
Côte d’Ivoire has been admitted to the initiative for heavily indebted poor countries (HIPC) by the Bretton Woods institutions. How have you allowed this?
It is a happy decision for Côte d’Ivoire.
Is it good?
Welcome, saying it too. Côte d’Ivoire is now classified in a category where it should not have been. Our country should have been more of a middle-income countries like others, but the fact is that there is a heavily indebted and that we are impoverished. So there was no reason to rejoice. We still try to take advantage of all that exists at the international level for the financing of the economy. However, this initiative was approved by the International Monetary Fund and World Bank in late March, but the beginning.
With Michel Camdessus, former DG of the IMF, you were one of the designers of the HIPC initiative. What had guided at the time this decision?
We thought that giving money to poor countries no longer sufficient. These countries had a very heavy debt that exceeded their gross domestic product. Even for the case of Côte d’Ivoire it is almost at that level. In Europe, the limit of indebtedness of the countries within the European Union for example is 66%. But when is a poor country debt, as if she put weight on it. We decided, we find mechanisms to ensure that these countries get rid of their debts but on condition, first, to make efforts to achieve and, secondly, to ensure that this will be repeated . For the Ivory Coast who was admitted to the HIPC initiative is a good thing and I commend in particular the Minister of Finance, the government. I think this is an occasion for more rigorous management. And I think the discipline is my government that will bring a final.
The G20 summit held in London decided to award more than 1000 billion to the IMF and World Bank to help poor countries. How this money will be mobilized and how will it use it effectively?
This is an important issue for developing countries. First, there is the financing of the IMF, which was tripled. Then there is still a proposed rights issue of special and specific contributions to multilateral development institutions. These resources will be added a considerable increase in public support. I think it’s great to get help, but it is necessary that these countries should fight for protectionism and subsidies in industrialized countries the problems are resolved. I give for my country, Côte d’Ivoire. If she had an opportunity to exploit its cotton, coffee, cocoa to its reasonable prices, while the Ivory Coast had the opportunity to have a clear opening in all markets, it did not even need to help after 3 or 4 years of good management. Aid is good when there are difficulties, but for me this is not the essential thing. I hope that all these countries are focused on sound economic policies and a good financing of their economies by giving priority to investment. We must ensure that the international environment is sufficiently open to a fair and balanced.
When you were the Prime Minister of Houphouet Boigny, why have you introduced in 1990 for a residence card which has caused great harm to many nationals of countries in the subregion?
As you said, the residence permit has caused great harm to the nationals of neighboring countries. In fact, when we come to serve, the Ivory Coast was in crisis, a very deep crisis in the financial plan. We were looking for money. There was this draft card which we have implemented because it would make money. Unfortunately, this has been used by a number of people against the nationals brothers. Which is unacceptable.
Is it you who decided to implement the residence card?
I think it is inappropriate to say that. I found a project in place. I have implemented. So I assume my responsibilities because I could not implement this project. I would not accuse anyone. But from the moment we were looking for money and we felt it was an opportunity, we have assumed. In truth, the result was bad because people have been harassed, I would say the scam to the limit. This was unacceptable. From my point of view, it was a good thing that the residence was abandoned. I would have done myself given the developments that followed. In fact, the fundamental problem of identification arose at that time already in 1990. For those who have conceptualized this project, we had no doubt who is Ivorian and who was not. Both sides have never had the courage to address this problem. In fact, it was considered that as qu’Ivoirien, it will give others the maximum opportunity, especially when it comes to brothers in neighboring countries.
